World history???

[~Aislin Hunter~]

For world history, we get extra credit if we mention Mark Anthony's speech on Caesar. Does anyone know if this is it???

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him;
the evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Caesar…. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it….
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,
(For Brutus is an honorable man;
So are they all; all honorable men)
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral….
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honorable man….
He hath brought many captives home to Rome,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honorable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
and, sure, he is an honorable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
but here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then to mourn for him?
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
and men have lost their reason…. Bear with me;
my heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
and I must pause till it come back to me.

[sprightly]

Yeah! Mark Ant! I played him in an an all female production of 'The Tragedy of Julius Caesar'. It's a brilliant speech, really Shakespeare was a genius, even if he wasn't real. It sure is his famous speech, and I had to memorize it.

[~Aislin Hunter~]

AHHHH! I love you! Thanks. I was rushing to find it, and then none of the links would open for it and ehh! It was difficult. Shakespeare wasn't real?? Woah. What did I miss? That went over my head...or were you talking about Caesar??? lol, I'm confused. All in all, it is a brilliant speech.

[wawa]

*gasp* i love that speech.

and it wasn't proven that Shakespeare wasn't real. Mark Anthony was freaking awesome, and his grandson happened to be Augustus, emperor of Rome, followed by Tiberius, and so on and so forth...yep...just goes to show you that the basic pattern of having one person in charge seems to always pop it's little head up.

and i could have sword Shakespeare was real, i am playing Benedick in much ado about nothing, and yea...i think he was real.

[sprightly]

Well, he was real but he probably didn't write those plays. You really have to look it up, I won't bore you with the details

[wawa]

i should let you talk with a friend of mine. she is in advent on the position that Shakespeare did write those plays, and she has been acting and looking up Shakespeare history for a longggg time.

[wawa]

oh, and just for fun, i decided to look some stuff up. This is what i got.

How do we know that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare? We know because the historical record tells us so, strongly and unequivocally. The historical evidence demonstrates that one and the same man, William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon, was William Shakespeare the player, William Shakespeare the Globe-sharer, and William Shakespeare the author of the plays and poems that bear his name -- and no person of the Elizabethan and Jacobean eras ever doubted the attribution. No Elizabethan ever suggested that Shakespeare's plays and poems were written by someone else, or that Shakespeare the player was not Shakespeare the author, or that Shakespeare the Globe-sharer was not Shakespeare of Stratford. No contemporary of Shakespeare's ever suggested that the name used by the player, the Globe-sharer, or the author was a pseudonym; and none of the major alternative candidates -- not Francis Bacon, not the Earl of Oxford, not Christopher Marlowe -- had any connection with Shakespeare's acting company or with his friends and fellow actors.

Antistratfordians must rely solely upon speculation about what they think the "real" author should have been like, because they cannot produce one historical fact to bolster their refusal to accept who that author actually was . No matter how they try to ignore it or explain it away, the historical record -- all of it -- establishes William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon as the author of the works traditionally attributed to him.

Basically what i found is that everyone in his time agreed that shakespeare wrote his plays, he was aclaimed as the writer. But as time went on, people began to doubt that a man of such low stature could write such plays. mainly in the 1800's...200 years after shakespeare wrote his plays. So yep, that's what i got. And if you would like sources, i would be happy to list them.

[sprightly]

Yeah, its actually been fairly well proven that it's just another conspiracy theory, but I like perpetuating the myth anyway, it's a good story. There /is/ some interesting evidence though, I watched a program on the History Channel about it the other day (supporting that either Bacon or Marlowe or some Earl wrote the plays) so it was kind of fresh in my mind. Personally the 'Shakespeare is Gay' theory is my favorite and it has less evidence against it.

[wawa]

Yes, i agree there is some interesting evidence. If anyone did write them besides Shakespeare, i think it could have been Bacon.

Shakespeare being Gay, eh? haha, who came up with that one? Not that he was married or anything...*shrugs*

By the way, you like to cause mischief, don't you?

I like that

[sprightly]

The gay, or bisexual theory really, is mainly that some of his sonnets were kind of fruity. Case in point Sonnet 20, it extends way beyond close friendship.

A woman's face with Nature's own hand painted
Hast thou, the master-mistress of my passion;
A woman's gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change, as is false women's fashion;
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue, all 'hues' in his controlling,
Much steals men's eyes and women's souls amazeth.
And for a woman wert thou first created;
Till Nature, as she wrought thee, fell a-doting,
And by addition me of thee defeated,
By adding one thing to my purpose nothing.
But since she prick'd thee out for women's pleasure,
Mine be thy love and thy love's use their treasure.

[wawa]

Yeah, i can see what you are talking about. But our version of 'fruity' probably isn't the same as the Elizabethan version. i dunno, and i doubt anyone will. But i do see your point.

I'm bored. wanna rp?

[~Aislin Hunter~]

You guys know your stuff. Awesome. I am lacking in alot of the knowledge you two have about this subject, but I do really enjoy Shakespeare, whether he's gay or not.

[morganna]

lol, I was lost at the speech. My english class' grammer was on Much Ado About Nothing, someone messed with the grammer and spelling and we had to correct it. I was so upset when the semester ended and we didn't finish the story, and it was just getting good too! lol...I kinda got off subject...

[wawa]

oooh! much ado! i am acting in thay play right now!

tell me, did you enjoy benedick? I find him hilarious.

and he IS the only man from italy, he hath an excelent good name....

hehehehe, that dirty shakespeare.

[~Aislin Hunter~]

hehe. benedick is pretty awesome. you are acting the play? That's pretty banging.